Fact is and I have been saying it for years is that there is a super limited amount of people who care about 3D. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. For example, make affiliation partnerships between people/storeowners possible. ;), My thoughts exactly.. 3d Printing could be very profitable (for CG Trader, and the modelers) When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, --GENERAL--.
Downloading 3D Models from any website - YouTube (2034950) 3D Regarding sales, for me personally CGtrader is in lead with a small margin for almost 5 months in row now, I'm confident the difference will get even bigger (so let's be realistic Ts sales is dropping dramatically). If CGtrader's advertisement budget is a problem, a Crowdfunding round may help. I read here on the forum can't remember if it was Iterate CGI or someone else said that CGTrader will soon sell on Amazon and I can't wait for it to happen!! I think CG Trader should remain working with printing, however, it's main concern should be CG :D, I would opt for a system that integrates different stores each with its own label/trademark placed under one common trademark (for sake of organization and readability), CGtraders main trademark would then function as a placeholder/main hub for many different sub stores. I dare to bed that those hoe left CGtrader a year ago to sign some exclusive contract to get the money a little bit faster will regret that decision rely badly next year. I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. @limonadinis See this GFXHub where you needed to pay a fee before you could download 3d models of Humster3d, Turbosquid and many other. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. What that means is that customers have the illusion of it being the best site out there even if the quality of the products is way below CGTrader. Cgtrader better sell my shoes here than ts.plus webmoney plus royalty rate. During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. We all witness how bad it is for healthy competition and progress. NoneCG will be up for it. That is a big killer for licencing anything here that you intend to sell the licence for, leaving me with having to licence at Thingiverse first then using CGTrader as advertising or selling copies of the files only. Checkmate is the only good thing Turbosquid has left to offer. Buyers tend to look for things based on the category and budget and like to be able to put two products side by side to compare them and get a better understanding of why one is better than the other or which product is more suitable for them as an individual. At some point in the past both Turbosquid and The3DStudio had to get through a huge cleansing of their site and removed thousands of objects that were hampering their credibility. Unless you have a huge ass :) You can not keep all aspects of these markets covered, so you will only be average on all of them or even worse. How about the Royalty Rate??? If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. I like how there is no join up fee. Rigged 3D models are available in Autodesk 3ds Max (.max), Maya (.ma), Softimage (.xsi), Cinema 4D (.c4d) and many other file formats. I sell fantasy-themed miniature models, and uploaded most of my then-current catalogue (consisting entirely of my original work) to Turbosquid only to have over half of it taken down a week later. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. You said you have considered closing your store here, I get that but why not just keep it up? Every market needs time, every business needs it. Turbosquid immediately shuts any links down. I see what you mean but I think it depends on how you are covering markets.
Chocofur.com6. Right now, low quality models flooding this site are attracting the low budget people - that's certainly why high quality objects with pricings in accordance don't sell that much. We at NoneCg think that both CGtrader and Sellers will benefit from the exact opposite policy. Determining the optimal cost of the models is an important and difficult moment. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. Needed something better and found it at CGt. CG Trader is easier to navigate, more stimulating perhaps than turbo squid. And CG Trader offers up to 94% royalty rate, where as Turbo Squid gives I believe 60% royalty rate CG Trader more open than Turbo Squid, and when registering, requires less personal information. You can download any 3d model in all popular 3d formats including MAX, OBJ, FBX, 3DS, STL, C4D, BLEND, MAYA and other. Yes. 2. Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. So true! If I am searching for a 3D model, I am not interested in 3D printing services, and vice versa. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. Both are still growing, but it seems CGtrader is growing much more. ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. the only advantages in cgtrader are the big rates for clients.
Animated and Rigged 3D Finger Models | TurboSquid It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. @IterateCGI These are great ideas and in fact we are currently working on one campaign that will involve the community to help market CGTrader better. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Turbosquid has the traffic and so you get the sails.
Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. Of course Matt Wisdom was disoriented and he was associated with Pixel SQUID bankruptcy.
What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? | CGTrader Please don't get impression that i'm trying to bash CGT, i don't i favor CGT over TS any day, but i want that they up their game in this concurent buisness. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. Nice try. Large studios with "turbosquid" collaborate very limitedly. What, iterateCGI goos down? The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. They have a CheckMate program which gives you a higher percentage back from selling your model. Agree with every word above. I hope ideas of exclusivity get replaced by inclusive ones all over the globe. - Are you interested in just some quick cash grabs and extras here and there while you can, or would you like to be able to contribute to a fair market where you can make a living out of your passion? If anything buyers should get lots of points for buying. If you have any questions about these. A battle is going on right now, and some top sellers are going full #SquidClan with a custom deal from the Wisdoms: a 5-6 digit $ amount in instant cash now as an advance of a 2 year exclusivity deal, plus a boost of their royalties at the expense of all the other "non-top" sellers at Turbosquid that won't be getting any offer from Matt Wisdom. There is a lamp that looks pretty cool (Gervasoni Bolla Floor light), and is supposedly free. So in this case you could say we are the asses and there's lots of us so we form a huge ass and CGt can place many chairs for us to sit on ;-)
$300 + (280) $200 to $300 (315) $100 to . And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. I think these are questions that every 3D content creators must honestly answer for themselves. TurboSquid be avoided guys! Better for who? Change Method. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. Chat with Support 24/7 Tom cat cartoon character rigged for Maya 12.
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But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. Thingiverse has allowed licenses to be transferred into another users name, which is very important option if you want to invent something and sell the ownership, else your stuck with it forever. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. I stumbled across the same issues! Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. It is currently selling on the of TS is much higher than on CGT. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. Hello, We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Sometime buyer in frustration just leave bad review on the model for issues that can be solved easily, but since he cant contact seller he thinks he cant do anything about it and he wasted his money. I'm not sure about your analysis.
Highend 3D - Character Rigs I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. You are just providing a platform." Renderer: Cyclse. I have no problem with a site offering an option for seller/buyer to find quality print-ready products. The staff on CG Trader seem to be very active and listen to ideas from the community, so I will try to find time and post some ideas on how the problem could be solved. When you search for specific models car, bike etc you usually end up finding a bunch of irrelevant models in there that don't even belong in that category and that is largely due to the fact that, they allow users to setup their own tags Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. Sometimes 3D model can have some errors, or it was not 100% what buyer had imagined it will be. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. In that case on CGTrader buyer can contact seller directly and ask him/her to fix the issue. Over the years they have shown me that they really care about we think about the way things should be run and they have been adapting the website based on our combined ideas. I think that the ones that do come here to buy CG models might not return if they get fed up while searching for the right one. the only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job posting area. The other issue is that Turbosquid has been out there for longer. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more.
Free 3D Models Download: The Best Sites for 2023 | All3DP Don't know how many even bother to ask, and on Ts no one can ask anything. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. This is a photorealistic high-quality 3D full-body scan female character, rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, max blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, City People x500 Static Poses Lowpoly ArchViz, 20x LOW POLY CASUAL ELEGANT SITTING WOMAN MAN PEOPLE CROWD, Realistic White Male and Female Head Bundle. 3. There is other sellers that don't have any problem doing the same:
Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model 3D - TurboSquid 2034950 The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. Turbosquid.com4. As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially:
There is indeed much structural work that needs to be done here but the core foundation/principal is here. So just to be constructive (and this will be my last post here, because I don't want to hijack the thread anymore, here are some ideas : I really think that a "designer good practices charter" or something like that could help. Imagine if CGtrader provided a service where they could get photos of the broken mug, then have some artists create a 3D version from the broken pieces and then have it printed for the client and sent to their house or if the client wants they can use their 3D printing company of preference to do it. "Even being a diamond doesnt seem to give me the benefits of sale coz TS takes so much from my sales (everyone's sale) that i would hardly call it profit or any acceptable income. And I've done the same thing on Turbosquid, in the same period of time. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. TS beside ripping off taxes have a terrible support, I just was told in the civilized manner to F OFF, as I complained on an admin who kept my 3D model suspended for over 4 days. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. Order 3D models. If you're searching for a regular model, you have to click on the little icon "CG models", but nothing changes on the page when you do so. I imagine a totally different mentality is going on in the Ts room, where top talents probably just like to leave the building because a few individuals like to keep things in check (you know like in the old top down pyramidal structured way). TS has bather page rank, when someone searches the net it will come on top, simple because it is an older website. - Explaining on a personal basis to certain designers, even under banning threat, that creating very basic objects afters tutorials and selling them for 10$ with comments like : "my best model ever" will only hamper CGTrader credibility ; also that taking a poser or DAZ model, posing it (or even rigging it) in another software and adding a few details to it is still an obvious copyright infringements, if not a simple steal That's what I'm saying all the time and what I didn't like because I was not selling models for 3d printing and reason why I left. Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. That place is dead for me. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. Please let us know if you have any feedback. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. CGT needs to get on Amazon a.s.a.p or partner with all the top leading commercial comps in order to make 3D more interesting to more buyers. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. If there is a problem they will fix it for you. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/industrial/other/shipping-container--4. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS As long as CGtrader and Marius keep leading the inclusive marketplaces with respect for the Artists and their own branding, we at NoneCG will continue to support CGtrader and Marius indefinitely, no extra shiny coins needed for us. It is the best RR in the world ! We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. Thank you. I had a conversation with Eduardas he confirmed that they will improve the feedback system. I started uploading on a few sites and TS was one of them and I can tell you now that that place is a mess. In CGtrader you can accumulate many until you set up payment agreement. "TurboSquid Support, Jun 20, 08:14 SST: https://vimeo.com/739678
60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. So the staff there tries to work The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. On the other side, CGtrader empowers the real content creators, giving them all kind of freedom regarding their products and image, and encouraging communication between customers and content creators. Reputation for promptly fixing problems? . Turbosquid has terrible royalty rates still turbosquid has the most paying clients. So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. TurboSquid is garbage. A man can dream on :]. While this tactic worked very well at first and allowed to draw that many sellers in relatively short period of time, now it's time to think about buyers, as without them sellers will start to starve. Recently I've been trying to contact my old clients and buyers and although they still have an interest in my models they don't quite trust CGT with their money. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, Another thing that makes CGT better than TS is the friendships that one is able to make within the artist community. At the moment i think its more a community of sellers and not so much of buyers. royalty scale you work up on is all very cool the fact you can print here sell files here and stream files all on one listing CG TRADER FOR THE WIN!!! These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. I hope to find same courage someday ;-) If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS.
And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. Putting 3D printing as the main product range on first page doesn't help, as has been noted. As every site takes a small cut from the sales of a model. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. I wont be using TurboSquid due to their royalty system and the fact that I would have to hunt down non-existing forms to prove I am not an American resident and thus avoid paying 30% govt. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. Check my store https://apkvisa.com/dungeon-quest-mod-apk/, Very motivating and supportive too.Hope you keep on sharing a greater amount of your ideas. This conversation has me glued to my monitor, all very well spoken and nailed down to the core. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. So it was sorted in your favor afterall? http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054
i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. It is pretty awesome!!! (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. I will search on TS and when found right model I will maybe look at cgtrader if there is that same model for cheaper. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. --GENERAL--. In 2020, I've opened a CGT account and start selling interesting 3D Models. We've been doing business with Turbosquid for more than 10 years until our very public issues last year: http://www.nonecg.com/turbosquid/turbosquid_nonecg.htm. But based on the results, we see that it makes sense to show off the CG part on the homepage as well. I was a seller on Ts for very long time but never liked it, felt the 60% cut was unjust, the aggressive tactics towards competitors was bad, the self centeredness to keep artist away from own clients was wrong, and there are many more reasons why it never felt home to me. Hopefully we can find a way that would plrase all sides. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. @Urecky, while i'm agree with you in general, let me argue on some specific points. But i think CGT nows that pretty well, that's why they decided to bring changes in royalty policy and hopefully they will steer additional cash flow towards making this stock market more attractive to the buyers. I don't know whether it would be possible to implement, but it would stop those who just wanted to download as many free models as possible. 4. Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. I wish someday Turbosquid disappear or bankrupt. @ Supercigaleha, ha, a good point about ,,the famous CheckMate,, :) TS . I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid.
I am huge fan of the CGT team because they really try hard to make us happy. Hmm, i went to your profile and i see no negative feedback.
I am new starter here. If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. Search is arguably most important feature of stocks and search in TS is head and shoulders (and then some more) above search in CGT. Noise Treshold: If you are doing really bad with sales they let you do whatever you want but if you are doing well they step in and make things difficult. My friend didn't get any support. My response was, not going to do that, its my work I decide the price. [quote]1. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. Typically, large corporate buyers, they find a way to contact me even and on TS and make an offer on a specific project. Yes, CG Trader is the best now some bugs should be solved. High hopes for Cgtrader. Imagine how much resorces and efforts are used by those clowns for this greedy Best price quality nonsense. Don't forget those young people are going to shape the future of this market and if we want to have a flourishing market then we need lots of well trained people in it. I think we as sellers can do a lot to make cgtrader more interesting for buyers. 3D is great for creating things that can restore old products. That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. Sure, but I won't rinse and repeat the whole uploading process if it happens though. Next we would have the sales/customers feedback factor coming in to sort out the stores ranking. The very best thing I find on CGT is the disponibility of the team. The longing to justice is something that cannot be eradicated, the hole of human history shows that clearly. What? Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Site issues? I do not know if community-policing has helped other sites keep their products better organized. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. I think posting links to showcase your model in an animation or to show how a rig works is extremely advantageous. No frankly, it's a bloody mystery. Turbosquid is the exact opposite. In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. taken offline. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. Important detail : CGTrader allows communication between customers and sellers ! - Fixing some guidelines to upload quality models (at least assuring that obj models, for instance, if textured, should have a proper .mtl file, limiting the models to quads/tris, imposing materials and textures to have understandable names, etc.